In the 'Be Careful What You Ask For You Just Might Get It' Department comes this from Steve M. at No More Mister Nice Blog concerning Joe Lieberman's proposal to strip citizenship from Americans affiliated with foreign terrorist organizations:
Three of the organizations on the State Department list of Foreign Terrorist Organizations (FTO) are Hamas, Hezbollah, and Mujahedin-e Khalq (MEK). Would any of these relationships count as "affiliation" with a terrorist organization?
How about this interview of Tom Tancredo by John Hawkins of Right Wing News?:
Another MEK friend in high places:
One more name on the State Department FTO list is the Real IRA:
Let the citizenship-stripping begin.
"Lieberman's law would amend an earlier statute that details other things that can cost you citizenship: Serving in the army of a foreign state, pledging allegiance to a foreign state, and so on. In those cases the State Department decides whether your disloyalty merits loss of citizen status. Lieberman's law would add involvement with a foreign terror organization -- as opposed to a foreign state -- to this list....
Who would determine whether you're involved with a foreign terror group? The State Department. It already decides what is and isn't designated as a terror organization. Lieberman's law would also empower State to determine whether you are in league with one of these groups."
Three of the organizations on the State Department list of Foreign Terrorist Organizations (FTO) are Hamas, Hezbollah, and Mujahedin-e Khalq (MEK). Would any of these relationships count as "affiliation" with a terrorist organization?
"[Grover] Norquist is a founding director of the Islamic Institute, a socially conservative Muslim think tank that eschews international issues in favor of domestic issues such as tax cuts and faith-based initiatives. In addition, Norquist's lobbying firm...was officially registered as a lobbyist for the Islamic Institute as well as for Abdurahman Alamoudi, the founder and former executive director of the American Muslim Council.
[At] an anti-Israel protest outside the White House on October 28, 2000. Alamoudi revved up the crowd, saying: " I have been labeled by the media in New York as being a supporter of Hamas. Anybody supporters of Hamas here? " The crowd cheered. " Hear that, Bill Clinton? We are all supporters of Hamas ... I wish they added that I am also a supporter of Hezbollah."
How about this interview of Tom Tancredo by John Hawkins of Right Wing News?:
John Hawkins: Let me ask you another question, it's Iran related. I heard that you support the National Council of Resistance (NCR), a political arm of the Mujahedin-e Kalq (MEK)...
Tom Tancredo: Yes, I do.
Another MEK friend in high places:
"In June 2004 Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld "designated MEK members as civilian 'protected persons' under the terms of the Fourth Geneva Convention,"... Rumfeld's "decision controverted [Department of State], International Committee of the Red Cross (IRC), and Office of the United Nations High Commission for Refugees (UNHCR) recommendations..."
One more name on the State Department FTO list is the Real IRA:
"...during the 1980s and 90s, the NSA and CIA collected intelligence on financial transactions between the United States and Ireland and Northern Ireland involving Irish terrorist groups supported by Peter King. The group Irish Northern Aid (NORAID) funneled money to the Irish Republican Army (IRA) that was used to buy weapons used to blow up civilians and members of the British government, military, and police.
King was an active supporter of NORAID, a tax-exempt front for the IRA. Martin Galvin, King's friend and former NORAID chief, rejected the Northern Ireland Good Friday agreement and supports the agenda of the terrorist "Real IRA."
Let the citizenship-stripping begin.
I am assuming, if McCain gets his way, anybody who subscribes to "Jihadist's Monthly" can just spend the first Tuesday in November home. One mIght want to be careful eating at any of the those Arab restaurants along Hillcroft too.
seems to me to be mainly symbolic...as miemaw said if you commit a crime in the name of a terrorist organisation, you lose your citizenship rights anyway. So while this may make folks feel better, it's of little practical use.
The problem here is that McCain and other are advocating the withholding of citizenship rights BEFORE CONVICTION. I don't think that it's exactly cool to use the severity of the crime one is accused of to determine which(if any) constitutionally protected rights are applicable. I don't think the tea partiers understand that under they're advocating it would only take one nut bombing one building before the state department could technically declare the tea party a terrorist organisation and strip the citizenship from all the flag-waving goobers untill they prove themselves innocent.
after all, what's good for the goose is good for the douchebag...
According to the article: Who would determine whether you're involved with a foreign terror group? The State Department. It already decides what is and isn't designated as a terror organization. Lieberman's law would also empower State to determine whether you are in league with one of these groups."
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Are they talking "softball league"? Bowling league? Bridge league?
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Uh oh.
Signed,
Anonymous
P.S. My wife plays bridge. Not me. Carguys don't play bridge.
If I recall..................we've been down this "slippery slope" before. Several times. I do like this country very much. (Love might be a tad strong right now). But you have to give us credit for one thing....we don't let previous social and political "missteps" deter us from trying over and over again to get different results from the same actions.
Revoking citizenship of "suspected" terrorists??? Yeah, that'll do the trick.
*sigh*
"hyper hypocritical."
Some days multitasking is harder than others....
I read somewhere - very recently - that Dick Armey (the power behind the Teabaggers) has worked, as a lobbyist for a group labeled as suspicious, from Iran. I'm sorry that I can't think of the group's name at the moment.
Not just hypocritical but HYPER-hypocritic
These fools need to remember: karma's a bitch.
Ah yes, America... Home of the brave and the truly hypocritical.
People, upon conviction of a crime, usually lose most "citizenship" rights, anyway.
So..... we can take away a "terrorist's" citizenship... but not their guns?????
There's something wrong with this picture.